As the Texas heat ramps up and outdoor living is in full swing, we are all dreaming of that first dip into a refreshing pool! If you're a new homeowner or starting the process of buying a home, you've probably thought about the big question - Is my lot big enough for a pool?? On this episode, owner of Bright Pools, Justin Bright, joins us to answer common questions like how much square footage is actually needed for a backyard pool and breaks down the different criteria a lot has to meet in order for a pool to be installed.
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Intro: [00:00:03] Welcome Home, a podcast brought to you by John Houston Homes. Join hosts, Chelsi Frazier and Whitney Pryor, as they walk you through the exciting adventure of your home buying.
Whitney Pryor: [00:00:19] Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the Welcome Home podcast. I'm Whitney, and I've got Chelsi here with me.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:00:25] Hello!
Whitney Pryor: [00:00:26] Hello, Hello! Today, we are actually on our final episode of the Outdoor Living Series and super excited about what we're talking about today. Chelsi, do you want to give us the spiel?
Chelsi Frazier: [00:00:39] Yes, I'd love to. I'm excited too, because this is something that I have been wanting forever, but it's probably never going to happen. I can relate to all the people that call in and ask about today's topic. I think it's a great way to wrap up our Outdoor Living Series that we've been doing over the past couple of months. We have invited Justin Bright, with Bright Pools, to come on to the show today. He is the owner of the company and has been building tons of pools. I see his signs everywhere. I actually know several people who have built pools with him and his company. We're just really excited to talk to him about pools on the types of homes and lots that we build. We build homes on all lot sizes, from 1-acre down to less than a 1/4 of an acre. A common question I think your team gets is, is my lot big enough for a pool?
Whitney Pryor: [00:01:32] Yeah, definitely, we get questions on that, especially towards the Summer. Everyone wants to buy a home with a lot size big enough for a pool and they ask that question, is the backyard big enough for a pool? I think it's a little more complicated and answering, so I'm so excited that Justin's here to talk to us more about that and kind of give us more details for the homeowners.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:01:53] Yeah, so let's welcome him to the show. Justin, thanks for joining us.
Justin Bright: [00:01:57] Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it, looking forward to it.
Whitney Pryor: [00:01:59] Yeah!
Chelsi Frazier: [00:02:00] Let's just start with a little bit about yourself, your history, how your company started and what you've been doing in the past few years?
Justin Bright: [00:02:07] We've been in business for probably almost three years now, full time. I worked for John, building houses through the construction phase, for almost ten years. The knowledge of construction came from that background and it just transferred really easily over to pool construction. It's all really the same, in general. Three years ago started that and we've been really busy. Ellis County, that's our primary home, and it's just booming with construction and new construction. A lot of people moving from other cities or even out of state, but the common theme is, Texas is hot and a pool was almost necessary. The demographic - our area is predominantly in that 30 year old range with kids, so it just plays a big piece in the puzzle of life for people. We've been really busy. We started, mostly based off referrals, knowing people and trying to treat people right over the ten years that I worked in the area and really got started and here we are three years later and it's just a blessing of where we've been. I never could have imagined we'd be at the pace we're at this soon, I guess I would say.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:03:16] What made you think, I want to build pools?
Justin Bright: [00:03:19] I get that question a lot. It's not so much about the swimming pools, in regards to what God called me to do. I felt like my strong suit was knowing construction, being around it again and working for John for so long. It felt like it was an easy transition in that regard, but also, I felt strongly and called to do it because it's kind of my mission field. Construction is stressful and scary for people, and it's done wrong a lot. I took notice and I felt called to go to work for myself, that being my ministry, because that's just how I'm wired and how God's created me. I never felt strongly to go build houses and do what I wanted to do. The funny part is, I actually had friends having pools built and I just kind of watched the process and realize how similar it was to my background. I took it from there with some faith. The first pool I built was actually my in-laws, so you know what I mean, I got I got a good trial run there. From there, it's just taken off, so it's been a blessing.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:04:20] That's great! How many pools would you say you've built?
Justin Bright: [00:04:23] Probably a couple of hundred now.
Whitney Pryor: [00:04:24] Wow!
Justin Bright: [00:04:25] Yeah, we had a good year last year. It was challenging with the weather and the freeze, that everyone now is aware of that we went through. I would say with what I have under construction plus completed, probably a couple hundred pools up to this point.
Whitney Pryor: [00:04:38] Weren't you voted the Best of Ellis County the past two years?
Justin Bright: [00:04:43] The last three years.
Whitney Pryor: [00:04:44] That's amazing to only be a three year old company and already have that recognition. I see it on the local talk sites or Facebook groups, you always come highly recommended. I think that says a lot about your company and what's important to you.
Justin Bright: [00:05:02] Thank you. Yeah, we're lucky to have it for sure. I always tell people, "I don't know who votes or how they vote," but we've won the last two years, so I guess we're trying to do something right.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:05:10] Yeah, I mean, it's community based. Anybody that lives in the area can go on and vote. We're always trying to encourage people to get on and do it, so it's definitely the people, People's Choice.
Justin Bright: [00:05:21] Perfect.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:05:22] Like we said earlier, pools range in size, but on average, how much backyard room is needed for a pool?
Justin Bright: [00:05:29] It's a hard question to answer in one statement. Like you mentioned, just using John Houston for reference, you have acre lots, you have 50 foot lots and even 40 foot. It would need to be minimum 40 foot wide, but I would say 50 and wider. A couple of challenges are, is the house so wide on the lot that you don't have access? Access to the backyard can be a challenge. We can get at any backyard, but what is the path of of resistance? Do we have to cross a neighbor's yard? I generally ask the question, "how well do you know your neighbors", in those scenarios, because it's very possible that we have to maybe access their yard at some point to make it happen. Does that make sense? A 50 foot wide lot or more is pretty safe. Another thing we look at are easements and setbacks. In the house building realm, you have what's called build lines, that you have to be within, to build on a lot. In a pool or an outdoor living scenario, the build lines, we can encroach. It's only an easement, that we can't. When I meet with prospective customers, I myself come out, walk the lot and usually get a copy of their site plan or survey, just to lay out those those easements. From there, that drives our conversation about full size, pool location, etc. The cool thing is, these are custom built pools to the space. We've done some, what's considered really small pools, because that's the only room we had. We have the ability to make them nice and pretty much add anything we need to, just a little smaller scale.
Whitney Pryor: [00:07:02] That's good, so even someone with a little bit smaller lot can definitely have something that's custom fit to their backyard?
Justin Bright: [00:07:08] Sure, yeah, we do it all the time. We get, even from some of John Houston Sales People a lot of times, before someone will commit. Like you were saying, "hey, we want to buy this lot, but a pool is going to happen." You've got some salespeople and some others that will send me, "hey, this is what they're looking at." I'll say, "sure, we can do a pool there or not or whatever that may look like."
Whitney Pryor: [00:07:30] I think that's a great value and a great add-in service to is that, if you're thinking about buying or building a home, you can go ahead and have you guys come out and make sure that the space is going to work for what they're wanting.
Justin Bright: [00:07:44] Right, because that's a big investment. You look at a plot of land and it's hard to tell. Based on how big the house is, you don't know where the easements are, you know what I mean? As far as that goes, no problem, they send me a site plan or something and I can usually tell within a few minutes if it's a go or not, in some capacity.
Whitney Pryor: [00:08:02] Sometimes I look at those backyards, I'm like, "there's no way a pool could fit back here." Then someone will pop a pool and I'm like, "Oh, wow, that's actually bigger than I thought!"
Chelsi Frazier: [00:08:11] That's a good point, though. People probably do the same thing like, "oh, there's no way." I would never have thought about just asking or just having your prospective pool builder come out and take a look or get the site plan. That's a good point. Do people often have to leave room for landscaping or consider that?
Justin Bright: [00:08:29] They do, it just depends. Landscape is kind of the same thing. When we build a pool, we can do landscaping, as well. A lot of times that's kind of that second piece. You'll see with outdoor living, where a home is all under the roof, and we got to kind of turn key and everything's got to be done when we get in there. Unless, they want to paint a wall or something like that. Where landscape, is usually a second phase, but if they want to do something, this is a conversation we have, as well. Are you thinking about landscaping? I do have some customers that go, "I just want to go to one person, close my eyes, open them and it's all done," does that make sense? In that regard, that's a series of questions that I go through when I meet initially, that we run through. If they want to incorporate landscape, we make sure to incorporate some space. Some people want low key, low maintenance and then we've got some that want these palm trees that we really need to account for, as well. To answer your question, that's a good thing to know when they do meet with a pool builder, just to to paint a better picture. You don't have to know anything in concrete, but the more you think you want, there's no harm in just saying, "hey, we're thinking about doing this. Would it even work?"
Whitney Pryor: [00:09:37] We have a lot of people that start building their home and they're thinking about a pool or they know they want to put a pool in. When should they start planning, researching or giving you a call about that type of thing?
Justin Bright: [00:09:50] I have a lot, especially this time of year. There are a lot of people shopping, people that are under construction or just starting the process. As soon as there are form boards or a slab or something on the ground, you can call and check with the site plan just to see if this is even a possibility. They purchase a lot and commence construction. Moving down the road, once we've got an envelope of the house, whether it be the form boards or slab, typically once we get framing going up, so we know kind of the layout, the roof pitch and those kind of things, as far as watershed, then we usually meet on site. We can meet any time, but if they're wanting to kind of either do it during the build or shortly after, like if the builder will allow that or right after, the sooner the better, for sure.
Whitney Pryor: [00:10:38] That brings up a good point. There are some builders that allow it and some that don't. I don't know that John Houston does or does not, allowing pool building during or after construction. Can you kind of give us a few pointers on that and what maybe the pros and cons of doing that would be?
Justin Bright: [00:10:58] So, some builders do and some builders don't. I don't know why some do and some don't. They have their processes. Typically, the builders that do, we would work through the process once a customer comes in and says, "hey, we want to do a pool." The value of doing it during the build, is most people will roll it into their mortgage, if they can, because interest rates on a mortgage are 3% to 4%. Where, we could talk about it a little bit, is the unsecured financing route, which is 7% or 8%, right? The risk is higher. You can't come repossess a pool if you don't make the payment, right, so they leverage that a little bit for a higher interest rate. We work through the process. As soon as they know that they're even interested, we work off the plan. There's nothing to look at on site yet, but we work off that. We at least get the initial, so people can start looking at numbers. At the end of day, it's got to make sense financially. We look at the numbers, where do we want to be and try to drill down and get that pool in that budget, kind of where they need to be. They sign a contract and we go through the permitting process. This is if they're building during construction. Once whatever exterior façade, whether it be siding or brick, once that's up and out of the way, when we typically start. We time it with the builder. I think to walk it back just a minute, some builders don't allow it because it's another piece to manage and that could affect closing and those kind of things. I think that's why some builders may not allow it. We start and then we work through the process. We'll go, go, go and then we'll get to a point where we have to stop until the house has power on it, because we obviously can't put water and start to pull up without power to the home. The advantage is that again, there you go, they're walking in the house. They're getting on a better interest rate. Typically, it's one payment through their mortgage and then it's done when they walk in the door. The question or the comment I get frequently is, especially on lots that are fully sod, full fence, in these smaller communities, they've got full irrigation, full sod and I'm coming in 30 days later and tearing it all. They're paying for it twice, essentially, right? I get that comment a lot. It's a necessary thing to do, but it is a disadvantage of having to do it after the fact, if you can help it.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:13:12] This is kind of a loaded question, because we know that supply chain issues and just build times are all over the place, but in a typical market, what's the length of time to build a pool? What should people expect?
Justin Bright: [00:13:26] We try to set a really good expectation because, again, being in construction for so long, that's kind of the success and failure of a project is, what kind of expectation did you set going forward, because it's construction. I always tell people it's not if, it's when we have to navigate through something, whether it be weather or whatever, you know? A good ballpark for just a nice project, nothing that's just outlandish or huge but something that's not basic, which is kind of what you see around here - pool, spa, some water features, about 60 to 65 days. That is from once we excavate the pool to completion. You should be swimming in about that, could be a little sooner it could be a little longer, depending on things that are out of our control. The supply chain is getting better. We've not been able to not finish a pool due to supply chain. We've stayed ahead of it, but most of that is weather driven for the most part. Labor a little bit, but weather driven for the most part.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:14:19] Gotcha, that's not bad.
Justin Bright: [00:14:21] No.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:14:21] A couple months?
Justin Bright: [00:14:22] Yeah, a couple of months, that's a good ballpark. Unless, like I said, it's just a big, big project or we get a ton of weather that slows things down.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:14:30] Right, which in Texas we know is completely predictably unpredictable.
Whitney Pryor: [00:14:32] It changes day to day.
Justin Bright: [00:14:34] Right, but I found people enjoy the process more when they at least have their mind framed around, this could take 60 to 65 days, does that make sense? Forty is great and 70 is okay too, but that's a good ballpark.
Whitney Pryor: [00:14:46] Okay, good. Speaking of weather, what would you say is the best season to start building a pool?
Justin Bright: [00:14:56] Fall? You know, rain and cold is a deterrent for construction. It's hard to do what we do when it's raining or when it's really cold. Forty and rising is when we can do concrete work, mortar, cement and those kind of things. That's our good ballpark. If it's dipping around freezing, you could do the work, but it wouldn't be the right way to do it. You're jeopardizing structure and things like that, so we try to hold off on that. You know, it sounds crazy, but even right after Summer going into Fall because it's typically dry and kids are back in school. This is to start construction, right? We all want it for Summer, right, but to start, I don't know how to explain it, but there's not as much anxiety around the project. When we start projects in the springtime, like now, everybody's got a July 1st pool party, does that makes sense? Also, what does it do this time of year? It rains quite a bit, so be open minded to the fact that it could take a little longer to build right now or in the Fall and Winter. To me, honestly, right after Summer, it's like "hey, we just want it done for next Summer!"
Whitney Pryor: [00:16:04] Right, that makes sense. There's less pressure and it seems like the weather in Texas is much more mild during that time. You're not having the highs and lows as much.
Justin Bright: [00:16:13] Well, there's other things to think about. When you're building a house, nobody lives there, but when we're building a pool, we're in somebody's backyard every day. Summertime, kids are outside, everybody's playing and your water and the grass. If we're building a pool in a yard that's got an irrigation system, when we dig an excavator pool, the irrigation system is inoperable for a couple of months. If you're doing the summertime when it's hot, you got to go get the twirly bird sprinkler from Ace Hardware and water your grass.
Whitney Pryor: [00:16:39] I never thought about that!
Justin Bright: [00:16:41] It's an ongoing battle. You've got to kind of chase those. That's something, again, we just try to set the expectation real clear. That is part of it. When you get those hot days and it doesn't take long to burn stuff up. When our sod goes dormant in the Fall, it's a great time because you're not watering a ton anyway then.
Whitney Pryor: [00:16:59] That's a great tip!
Chelsi Frazier: [00:16:59] Yeah, for sure! I feel like hot tubs are making a comeback. Have you seen a lot of those? Are you doing more? What are the benefits of hot tubs?
Justin Bright: [00:17:09] Yeah, they are. I mean, we do a ton. Two things happen when I meet folks. It's, we've had a hot tub or spa. We call it a spa.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:17:18] Oh, is that the old school way? You know I'm country, right?
Justin Bright: [00:17:22] Before I built pools for a living, it was hot tub, but then it's spa now, so it's the same thing. Two things, people have had them in the past, never used them and just decide not to or those that don't because of the cost. They do add, I mean a good ballpark, 12k, 13k, 14k, in addition to whatever the pool would cost. With a spa, you've got to factor in some kind of heat source, whether it be ignition source, propane or gas. You've got propane tanks, gas lines and those kind of things. They add a lot of cost to it. The negative side is really, if you're not going to use it, it's not worth the investment or it's expensive. I mean, it is costly. It's a big piece of the puzzle. The advantages, in my opinion, again, greatly outweigh. More than anything, you get essentially, all your use of at least the pool, in some capacity. When you do a spa, you essentially have all the heating elements. You've got a heater, you've got the heat source, so you can technically heat the pool as well. We plummet in a fashion that you can direct hot water to the pool. It takes a lot more propane, but you can do it. I get, "hey, my son's got a mid-November birthday." I get this all the time. It costs a couple hundred dollars in propane, but it's worth it. There's 20 kids swimming in the pool in November, instead of being inside, throwing cupcakes everywhere and making a mess? I get that a lot. That and the all year usage, I get that a lot. We do fire pits and that kind of stuff because it people want to make sense of the cost of the project. Being able to use it all year long, it just makes sense. I tell people, the nicest part of a pool sometimes is just looking at it, you know what I mean? It's ascetically pleasing.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:19:10] They're beautiful!
Whitney Pryor: [00:19:10] Yeah, they are beautiful! You do firepits as well?
Justin Bright: [00:19:14] Yeah!
Whitney Pryor: [00:19:14] Oh, nice! It's like the whole outdoor entertainment.
Justin Bright: [00:19:17] The whole deal, we can do everything - pergolas, cabanas, all of the above.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:19:20] I love it. With our preferred lender, Trinity Oaks Mortgage, you can finance a pool into your mortgage loan. I know we talked about this a little bit earlier, but what other options do you see that homeowners have that have already moved into their home and now they want a pool? So, that option is kind of out of the table.
Justin Bright: [00:19:38] There are two different routes still. Depending on the amount of equity you have in the home, there are still some banks that do a secondary loan. I don't know if Trinity Oaks does it or not, but there are some that will tap in. If you've got about 10% equity in the home, is what the rule of thumb is. When you refinance, you're essentially refinancing you, you're not going to get 100% value of the pool. You're not. Typically, we draw a contract and we come up with a sales price. It seems to fall around 50%. What they'll do, is they'll take the equity you have in your home, the sales price of the pool and negotiate. They'll do an appraisal, and then they'll assume some of that value back into the home, so they can lend more against it. Most people can almost, within reason, roll in the majority of the cost of the pool into it. Maybe they pay some out of pocket that won't cover, but then again going back into the interest rate of getting a reasonable rate as opposed to the unsecured, which we'll talk about in a second, that seems to be a little higher. The unsecured, so your Lion Financials. There's some other ones like that, but that's a big one.
Whitney Pryor: [00:20:44] Third party type?
Justin Bright: [00:20:45] Yes, third party lenders. They are unsecured, meaning there's no collateral and that their risk is higher. There's a little bit more of an interest rate on it, 6%, 7% or 8%. I don't know what exactly it is, it depends on credit, of course. They try to extend those loans out, sometimes 20 years. They understand their product. The 7% to 8% is scary to a lot of people, right? Historically, that's not a bad interest rate, but in the times we are now, that's high because I've got a house at 3%. It doesn't make sense to me.
Whitney Pryor: [00:21:12] If you're not living in your home for 20 years, what happens?
Justin Bright: [00:21:16] Right, you can stretch that loan out to 20 years or so, to keep that monthly payment down, to offset that higher interest rate.
Whitney Pryor: [00:21:24] Right.
Justin Bright: [00:21:24] I don't know what happens two, three or four years down the road, but some people will do that, especially if they've just moved into the house. It's like when people close on a house and then there's two brand new cars outside. You can't do anything while you're building a house, right, but as soon as you close, they pull the trigger on that. Let's get the pool, especially in our area, where values are just skyrocketing. They'll either cash out, try to close that loan, pay it off, and then maybe they'll refi at some point to kind of get it in. That's the goal, I think, for most people. Though, the interest rates are a little higher with those loans, it allows them to get it. It's like buying a car, in the sense that with the interest rate, you just go out and get it as long as your credit worthy. Those are kind of the two options.
Whitney Pryor: [00:22:06] That's the other option?
Justin Bright: [00:22:07] Yeah, very few people pay cash for swimming pool. It's kind of a misconception. From a financial investment aspect, we understand it doesn't give you 100% of your money back.
Whitney Pryor: [00:22:17] It doesn't grow in value.
Justin Bright: [00:22:17] Yeah, so it's very rare that that happens. A lot of people do cash out refinances, those kind of things. They can do home equity lines of credit or home improvement loans. There's a lot of things and that's 60% of the pools we do in the area. If you've lived in your house for five years in this area, you've probably got equity.
Whitney Pryor: [00:22:34] You've got equity.
Justin Bright: [00:22:34] If you refinance, I think you have to have one year. If you refi or cash out or whatever, you've got to wait a year to redo that. I don't think you can do it like back to back, but that's a lot of the way people do it, yeah.
Whitney Pryor: [00:22:48] I've always wondered how that worked. I'm like," are the people paying cash for these?"
Justin Bright: [00:22:51] Very seldom. it doesn't happen. Even if they have the cash again, just from a financial stewardship standpoint, it just doesn't makes sense, you know? From the outside looking in, I always wonder like, "is everybody just writing checks for these things," and they're not. Anybody can afford one. It's just a matter of where you want to be, what you're looking for and what your family needs, you know?
Whitney Pryor: [00:23:15] Have you ever done just a hot tub and no pool?
Justin Bright: [00:23:20] They call them spools, actually, but yeah.
Whitney Pryor: [00:23:23] Okay, my aunt has one. She lives in Dallas and it's like a giant hot tub, basically.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:23:31] A spa, right?
Whitney Pryor: [00:23:31] Sorry, a spa, but she uses it mainly as a hot tub. You have done a couple then?
Justin Bright: [00:23:39] Yeah.
Whitney Pryor: [00:23:40] I think it's kind of a neat idea though, even though it is a little bit more costly, especially if your kids are grown or if you're an older couple, That's how my aunt is, her kids are grown now and they just want to sit and relax. Their barbecue grill is right beside it, so they just sit in the hot tub and barbecue or whatever. It's kind of a different lifestyle almost.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:24:03] Well, as we're wrapping it up, I just kind of wanted to pull on your heartstrings a little bit. What can people expect when they work with Bright Pools? I think we know this business comes from the heart and it's about people and relationships. Why do you do this and what do you love about it?
Justin Bright: [00:24:24] When I started this business, what was important to me was that my name was on it. To me, looking at it from a consumer, I believe so much in what we do and why we do what we do. I'll put my name behind it and I can't be hide behind anything. It's how we provide for my wife, my kids and the guys that work for me. You have to be profitable to provide a service, right? At the same time, that's not our driving force. At the end of day, God called us to do this business, so we want to serve him well. Stewardship from the top down, whether it be communication, stewarding our finances and stewarding our labor. At the end of the day, making sure that the fence is put back up so the dog doesn't get out, so our customers don't have to go down the road and get them. Are we perfect? By no means, but we try really hard. We are great at understanding who we are and why we do what we do. We love it.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:25:16] Any parting advice or words for anyone considering building a pool now or later?
Justin Bright: [00:25:22] Pools add so much value to to those that have them. You'll hear somebody every now and then to go, "it was a money hole." Or whatever, you know. I understand that, too, if you never use it. It's a great asset to families. It's fellowship and being around. I always tell people, you're going find how many friends you have. If you've got a younger family or your kids are at home still, you just are going to congregate, at some point multiple times, in and around the swimming pool. I don't know how to explain that, but it just seems like the person having the Super Bowl party has a pool!
Whitney Pryor: [00:26:09] They always have a pool!
Justin Bright: [00:26:10] It just seems like that. You can't necessarily quantify the value it brings to your family, your life and to your friends. Really, they're getting more and more affordable for people, in regards to how they can be purchased. I recommend it obviously. Anything that we do, coming out and seeing people, it's free of charge, there's no cost associated with it. It's no strings attached. If it can be a benefit to you, absolutely. I'll look it up and give you a "hey, I feel good about it. We could do one there." We're here to help in any way we can.
Chelsi Frazier: [00:26:49] Well, thank you so much for joining us. It's been great. You've been a wealth of knowledge.
Justin Bright: [00:26:53] Yeah, thank you for having me.
Whitney Pryor: [00:26:53] Yes, thank you and thank you listeners for joining us today on the final episode of the Outdoor Living Series. This was a great one to touch on and I'm so glad that we got to hear from Justin with Bright Pools. If you have any questions about Bright Pools or you'd like more information, we will link to his website and all of his information in the show notes, that way you can get that info and give him a call. We'll have more information about John Houston Homes as well. You can definitely find us on the web at jhoustonhomes.com or feel free to reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org for any questions you might have. Of course, you can join us on social media. We're on Facebook, as well as, Instagram. Thank you guys for listening in and we'll see you on the next episode of the Welcome Home Podcast.
Chelsi Frazier and Whitney Pryor: [00:27:45] Welcome Home.